0:03 Hi everybody, it's John Jay, April 20th. Thanks for joining. 0:07 I wasn't trying to make it exactly seven o'clock, I usually do, I gotta wrap it up, and try to get some things done. 0:13 So thanks for joining. Today, I just wanted to talk about, was going to be more of a continuation on p...

Hi everybody, it's John Jay, April 20th. Thanks for joining.
I wasn't trying to make it exactly seven o'clock, I usually do, I gotta wrap it up, and try to get some things done.
So thanks for joining. Today, I just wanted to talk about, was going to be more of a continuation on private property, and how we could secure a lien on it and the reasons why.
But I wanted to share a couple of stories with you, that I've experienced this week with clients.
So ultimately what we're going to talk about is, by your identifying information is being collected, who's doing it, what are you gonna do about it?
Why, you want to do something about it, OK?
Um, And I made notes here, but it looks more like a story.
So, I'm going to use this as a prompt here, then we'll certainly do some questions and answers.
But let me just get into it here.
So, this last week, somebody was, I was working with somebody who, just, let me preface this whole thing by explaining, I know this question is going to come up, but intellectual property rights are well-known. Just like the Motion Picture, Association of America is very, I mean, that organization has lobbied Congress to make sure there are criminal penalties, and they will aggressively that organizational aggressively penalize anyone who makes illegal copies of movies.
And these rights are held by other owners of intellectual property. It just seems like, though, that the motion picture Association of America is more diligent about enforcing those, right?
So, the property rights I'm talking about here, and these are intangible private property rights. They have the same legal significance, understanding presence. I mean, everyone understands what this is, The law recognizes them, and I'll give you another example of what that might be. So we might talk about I'm going to talk about biometric data as one example.
Biographical data is another example of something that would identify an individual human being that has these rights in the first place, but we can also talk about if I have copyrights to a poem, I wrote, OK, those are similar. They are identical, actually. But also, what about medical privacy rights?
These are intangible private property rights, and you could impose a lien on those rights.
So it's just something to think about, OK, the right to informed consent, things of that nature.
But, the analogy here is intellectual property rights and let me just start by talking about so, there was a there was a gentleman I helped and he had, he had conveyed the title does house to an LLC. And he had property tax exemption.
Now, in some states, they only recognize the property tax exemption, if it's held in a person's name, excuse me, one second here, let me know.
So, I'm going to have to.
So, in Florida, I don't believe that the state recognizes a homestead exemption if the title is held by company or trust.
Even if the beneficial interests are still that individual person or a couple of the married couple that had the title.
So, in this case, he was in South Carolina. He conveyed the rights and the property at the title and the tax assessor assessor had seen the record because it's part of the same system and a system attacks without the exemption. So it was a lot more money is like five times more money, I think.
And so, he called me about it And really the the the property tax appraiser, assessor's office, was actually quite friendly and accommodating, and when, when he called him on the phone, he didn't really know what to say. So it's kind of awkward. But when I got involved and I wrote a letter and then it got over to them by e-mail.
And they were really quick to give the exact documents that were needed, the information that was being requested in order to establish three things.
So, in order to keep that property tax exemption, he had to still, as he had to show that, the, the, even though the ownership changed by title, that he retained the beneficial interest. And the reason why, the way he was able to do that is because he just happened to be the single member owner of the LLC, and so it was easier to, it, was easier, in his case to do it that way.
So, just showing a copy of the articles was enough, OK, the articles that were filed with the state, showing that he was the sole owner of the LLC.
Alright. And then also that he was still a resident that's easily done with a voter card, or in his case, he was OK with using a driver's license, and then the other aspect of this was that he's still lived there.
And then we just use utility bill, and so that should be enough to establish that. Right. Well, then, the State wanted disclosure of his tax returns.
So it was very easy to disclose all these other things, These are understood, but when it comes to the tax returns, we have a problem with that.
Because disclosing a Federal tax returns to any third party, is a waiver may constitute a waiver. And you actually have privacy rights, believe it or not, in the tax code. Not many people know this, But in Title 26 of the United States Code, in Section 6103, you can look this up. I mean, you guys can see on my screen right here. Right?
You can look this up, and you'll see in there that you actually have privacy rights.
So, by, what if you look at the conditions where privacy rights are waived, Disclosing your tax returns to another government agency may constitute waiver, Right, and this may lead to all other weird kind of situations, awkward situations. Detrimental situations.
It may cost him money later on unless there is some stipulation that he's going to be indemnified for any adverse consequences that weren't, you know, anticipated or that could happen, right.
Which the state's not going to do that, or they're going to say that it doesn't constitute waiver. Right. So I don't think that's going to happen either.
So the question we had back to them was, what is it that you need? What is the purpose? And you have every right to ask. There's actually a law for this. You have every right to ask what the purpose is that the information is gonna be used for, and, you know, what will you do with it, right?
And so, my thinking was the information on the driver's license is the same as what's on the tax return. All they want to do is show yes, indeed.
Sure, He's still claiming that he's at this address, and that's his name on the tax return, because it's under penalty of perjury, and the driver's license will show the identical information. So why do I need redundant information?
I mean, it's an official public record, right? It's a government record.
So, we're in the middle of doing that right now, but I think they're working with him, and I think it's gonna work out just fine. But I'm just saying, this is a point. This is why I like to do these things and talk about this, because there are, there's a lot more to it than. Just as just a couple of documents. I'm gonna give it to him.
Well, you don't realize, just like you've probably never heard of 603, and the tax code, right? You never knew that you had privacy rights in the tax code.
So, I know things like that, and this is what, this is what I'm talking about this so it can he conveyed his home that the tax was assessed.
There was a delay in responding. So, what we need to do is establish these. These three facts underlined in here, which are, we're talking about that. So, we didn't have a need, or we don't know what else is needed here.
So, even if you're not sure of all the legal aspects of it, you always want to ask what the purpose is and what is your normal policy for the use of this information? for the collection storage and use of this information, OK? What is your purpose?
And if you, if the purpose is not adequate or you feel like it's placing you in some sort of jeopardy and you still need to disclose it, you can look into a couple of things. You can redact some of the information.
If, once you find out what is being, what was being the purpose of the information, right, maybe maybe the tax return, the financial information may not be necessary to establish residency. But the fact that he testified on his tax return, about his residential address, that might be enough or you already did that on the driver's license. So why do I need to, you know, give you duplicate information, right? I can't imagine why they need the financial information.
But anyways.
So there's, there's that that's going on. And so that would be the reason, OK? I don't want. I don't want my disclosure to constitute a waiver.
And at the same time, if I'm going to disclose this, I really do want to know what your data retention policy is. Most people don't use that term, though. They use like, a privacy policy statement, or something like that. But if you don't like it, you can modify the terms, and condition the disclosure upon those terms. You can, you can change it.
You can tell them, OK, I'm gonna disclose it, but I want proof that you've destroyed it, or that you're only gonna use it for that purpose, and no other purpose.
You know, things of that nature will get into that now a nice clean way to do all these things to, to enter to interact with these agencies, and third parties is this this lien that I'm going to talk about OK that I've been talking about?
It's very non confrontational, It gives you the power or the the upper hand.
No one can do it ahead of you.
No one can take that property away, you're the only one that could put that lien on there.
And if you don't put the lien on their go, the property is still there, Issues considered abandoned in some cases, right.
So another one, was that, So OK, so this this woman she was, so she was wanting to share contract and she went. She had a buyout clause and a contract.
And so she was a member of a Limited Liability company as a, as a, as a part of the buyout two year buyout agreement. Right.
So it took two years to buy her out and she was thinking that it looked like they had, this organization had, uh, received more money during a period of time. And therefore she was eligible for receiving more money and she didn't get her share, is what she is talking about. So when she was trying to get the information on the finances, the financial statements she had.
She had an entitlement to financial disclosures, but she was asking for a little bit more than was in the written agreement, which I don't see a problem with that. But whoever was responsible for those records told her that she couldn't get those records because they were proprietary. Now, proprietary is a very special term, and this one will introduce you to this concept proprietary data in a corporation is some type of information or records that are special to the company, and that are intrinsically value, valuable.
They, they are, they are what the company relies upon to produce money or have certain sets of value, right?
And if those records are kept in a certain way, like labeled as proprietary data or they're not kept in a secure location or under a, let's say, in a safe right, or some way, if that's treats them differently.
Then, my, you know, my discard pile near, the trash can, right, then, it's not really my, my claim of proprietary data. Is not going to survive, but, these guys are just acting in bad faith, right?
Whoever it was, and I said, well, if it's if it's proprietary data, you already have an interest in the arrangement.
And it's not disclosing the proprietary data, if it is, to a non party or a third party. But even if it were, the company would have to do is give you a non disclosure agreement design and create a liability, you know, some sort of penalty.
If you, if you disclose this information, it wasn't like it was a trade secret either.
So anyways, they were just asking in bad faith, So, this is what I'm saying, what was it they, yeah, So they could have just simply, they could have simply disclosed it in that case. So I just want to make that little short point, because she had a, she had a reasonable property right there.
And so there's, there's a process that she can follow. But anyways.
So the property tax case, we're still waiting for a response either way. There is always a good reason to limit the disclosure of information. Now, I know even myself included, disclose information are allowed to be disclosed or captured, if you will.
And we can clean that mess up, right. We can clean it up with a Lean.
Alright, Yes. I'll publish it. I'll put this document in the telegram group. And if you guys want me to e-mail it, certainly, I can e-mail it to you, and I'd love to hear so I can make some modifications.
So we'll see if I need to do that, then, yeah, so just be aware of when someone's asking you for information.
Like, for example, if a driver's license, surely is, is the, OK?
if a driver's license license is the payment of attacks for the privilege of doing something that would otherwise be unlawful, then why do I need to include my photograph with that? And why does it become part of an immutable, permanent record forever? Even after I die?
I mean, paying a tax should be sufficient, right? Well, then, all I need is the receipt to show I paid the tax. So whoever holds the receipt has the license.
Now, they don't want to do it that way, right, This whole system, as you're aware. So there's conditions on disclosing your information.
So when anyone, especially government, she asks you for your personal privacy, financial tax, or yeah, private information, financial information, tax, credit, or banking information, that's mostly what we're dealing with, right?
I would just say also personal identifying information, you have a right to know the purpose for the request, how it's going to be stored, how it's going to be used, right? And ultimately, how it's going to be destroyed now, I know, I've been talking about this for about a month now.
If you want me to help you, I will do this.
I have a new order form, I will, I'm charging a fee to do the service, but I'm also doing these videos and I want you to be empowered and want to do it yourself.
But I will help you, if you want me, to, I will help you prepare a security agreement, that you can put place on the public records. And what's gonna look like once, I show you how to do it once. I hope you do more, if you want. But once you see how it works, you can, you can continually do that. For a long list of third parties that are collecting your information. And then you can start controlling how the information. If it's going to be allowed to be used. And then how or in what manner it's going to be used. Because you're gonna be able to create a liability on the accounting records of these organizations.
Let's just pick Google, for example. Let's just go after them. Yeah, Google, Now, yeah. You may suffer, if you want to call it that, the closing of your account. In some cases. Now, I'm not sure if that's even legal.
I'm just thinking, maybe that's a good thing, but time will tell, right. I'm sure there's a remedy, and there's things that we can work on, but it's going to be quite interesting to see as we start filing these. What's going to happen? I've not been yet involved and falling one. I'm about to file mine. Anybody who wants to do it, let me know I'll help you.
Um, yeah, so, and this we're gonna discuss.
So what I want to show you guys, and I'm gonna break for just a minute here and see if we have any questions that I can address.
Then related to this, if you don't mind, then I'm gonna bring him some other exhibits.
Just let me know if I have any raised hands here anywhere.
I've got a question. Yes.
Yes, So once you put it in a public record, like I've put mechanically names on houses, people owe me money.
Yes, Do you do you just inform Google, or do you just inform whoever that you have a lien on your biometric data?
And then they, they, if they violate, if they violate that, that lien that they could be sued?
Yeah, you can tell them that. But you don't have to because it's public record and they will find it.
However, I'm going to show you right now how you would do that.
All right, Good question, OK.
And then on the CBD, see yeah.
Did you guys hear the commentary from Governor dissenters here in Florida on the CBD see?
Well, he just went off on them and talking about how all the different variations of evil ness that it is. The governor of Florida did that.
And he said, We're we're writing a law now, too, to prevent the anywhere in the state of Florida, that currency being recognized. They will not let merchants' require the central bank digital currency.
And he's encouraging other states to do the same, including Texas, which I think they're going to do that, too.
So yeah, he's modifying our uniform commercial code here in Florida two, to eliminate the possibility that the banks will be able to impose that on the people that live here in Florida.
OK, so what if we're in a different state, and because I'm in a very, very, very liberal state, I'm assuming they're going to go ahead and go through with that, Probably.
Yeah, can I file a lawsuit again, Governor?
No, but what I was going to tell you is that, to answer the question, this security agreement can totally slam CBBC.
It requires your biometric data, we can totally slam on with this agreement.
OK, so are you going to share the process on how, how we are able to do that?
Yes, So let's just do that right now. Any other questions? All right, good, so. I don't see anymore serverless. Anybody else? OK, So let me go into this um, I'm gonna do the screen share. And then this one.
I'm going to put it up on my computer.
So many things are listed here.
OK, so we're gonna go right to one of the biggest perpetrator's is going to be lexis nexis.
Let me do Share screen?
Here we go.
Alright, so here's lexis nexis, lexis nexis um, is a credit reporting agency, OK? It's not, it's not one that we talk about, but it is the one, the, the one that is able to validate and verify your disputes.
So that's why you can get your disputes accepted because we need a disputed item on your credit.
All that Equifax does is go to its echo chamber, lexis nexis and lexis nexis says, oh, we have that item?
It's valid. Then Equifax come back and says, it was validated and then we don't know what to do right?
So, there's a whole game there that we can talk about if you wanted to but I'm not gonna talk about that today. What I wanted to show you is that the biggest perpetrators of the collection of your private identifying information is going to be lexis nexis.
OK, And then another one I'm gonna get to in just a second here, but here's what you do.
Once you have the lien filed against, let's say, lexis nexis.
And one thing I like to do is we'll follow the lien and make sure we get the exact legal name.
And this took me a while to find it I would like to contact or send notice, like you asked to the Chief Counsel or General Counsel for lexis nexis.
So if you have unrecorded right now, it gets lexis nexis.
I would then serve notice on William, then the executive vice President and General counsel for lexis nexis, and tell them what I just did.
I just put a lien on my private property that is in his company's custody in which his company is, its business model is relying upon for-profit in commerce. Then I had every right to do that.
I don't know if they're going to say it, but they're not going to like it.
All right. So it's the general counsel or chief counsel of the organization.
If it's a government agency, it's going to be the director or the secretary of the agency, like the director of the Department of Motor Vehicles, right now.
Next one, this is E oscar.
Now E oscar is an acronym I'll get to in a second here, but it's a it's an acronym for.
It's a trademark. You can see it's a registered trademark.
It's in commerce.
This is why I keep saying it's in commerce, right? So this gives you the right to establish a Lean over the use of your data, because your data is being used in commerce, OK?
E oscar is the connection between your company that you're dealing with, your debt collector, your creditor, your bank, and the credit reporting agencies.
So, E oscar lets information come from the CRA, OK.
two, they they call it the furniture. The information or the data furniture, OK? So, like, let's say it's your bank or your credit card.
And so, if you have a dispute, if you dispute with either, like, your bank or the credit bureau, the communication goes through this ... system, OK?
And it's probably today, it's an it's an artificial intelligence system. They probably scan a letter in there. And the system either validates a letter or something like that validates an item on your credit.
OK, that's what they're doing, so they've had like this super credit reporting agency that's not subject to the Fair Credit Reporting Act.
I don't think Oscar is So Oscar is the trademark of online data exchange O L D, LLC, OK?
So O L D would be the debtor in your security agreement.
You'd probably be really angry if you knew what data they were collecting.
Somebody was telling me they had, like on this, lexis nexis. They even kept track of consumer purchases this guy made for his home.
They even knew what he bought from Home Depot. It's crazy.
Alright, so then we get into this E oscar, OK, so old is another one. So these two are big, big ones, right?
So then I went I did a little more investigation, so I did I went and I found some data on this, you know, Oscar type company, um, at Bloomberg.
And if you can tell, I mean, you can buy reports. I never buy these reports.
So I'm just saying, you can see what's going on with this company, right. So this is this headquarters, right? So, what you would do is find out the chief counsel, which I don't think I did here, but you get the idea, see, find the chief counsel, and you said, you serve notice on the address, You don't have to do that. I mean, I'm just curious to see what would happen if we do these security agreements, and listening to sit there, you know age for awhile. So, what happens? Let a few quarters go by and see if their accounting or their insurance organization or their banking affiliation picks up on these Leans being there. I think that's what's going to happen.
And then I got something else here. Let's see.
All right.
So, yes.
So here's another website that has information about LLD.
And here's your director.
Yeah, David von, I guess, Kathy Clinic, I don't know who their general counsel is. I mean, you can find it for me. I was probably one of these guys.
I'm just saying, there's your head office address, et cetera. Right.
Now, a trans union is another one.
You guys are going to hate them.
I mean, I'm gonna give you an example.
So, I was talking to someone who isn't in, let's say, the banking industry, that and he has kind of insider view on this. And he was telling me that Trans Union has this relational database type feature.
And it is so powerful that, for some reason, it's able to track just about anything you can possibly imagine. So, for example, here's the, here's the level.
It goes to trans union. Let's say you're 35 years old, let's say you're 45 years old, right now.
Change union probably still has information about where you stayed for the six weeks after you Graduate College, and you are couchsurfing on different friend's apartments. Because you're looking for a place, right?
Until you found a place, they probably still have it, even though you didn't, your name wasn't on the utility bill, the rent or anything like that.
Somehow you weren't getting mail there. Somehow they got that data. I'm just saying it's nasty. The kind of things, we didn't even know, we'll probably never know, all the things they have, There's probably consumer reports that will never even know exist.
So that's what I'm saying.
On the security agreement, we want to be as broad as possible as describing the collateral or identifying information, but also specific.
So we're broad, general and then we dial into a very specific thing to try to catch as much as possible.
But this is another one of the we call the perpetrators, right?
Mean, look at these guys. Let's look at I'm looking at TransUnion's website, OK, and they have the nerve to call their this little section here.
Privacy, OK, when you interact with us, we may collect certain information, such as your e-mail address. OK.
We know that, because I gave it to him, right?
But we're also going to do something like this. We're going to collect information about the device that you're using to access our online service.
It includes your device ID.
It includes your browser.
It includes your browser history.
But then finally, he stood up and take, notice.
The pages you view, how long you stay on each page, how often you come back to the page are the site you visit, et cetera, et cetera. This is nasty. We collect your IP address, OK? Your connection to the internet, your Internet protocol address.
Your geographical information, right?
All this stuff, they're collecting all this.
If you call it from Starbucks, they'll know it.
Anyways, it goes on and on. So, hey, we have the last word. We can use the security agreement. We can take control this data. I just, I'm eager to do and see, you know, file these things, to see what happens. So, I pretty much finished with it, the generic version of it. I'm going to start with a template every time.
It's probably gonna be modified a bit, every time I do one, but hopefully you'll learn how to use it, and you just keep on doing it, and show your friends.
You know, Todd, which would you like to ask?
I was, I was wondering, how do you, how can you, how can you confirm or or show when a company is using your information?
And then how are you able to label or identify your standing, How much do you sue them for?
And do you put all companies I noticed you send them a notice saying, my biometric information is I have a lien on this information if you use it I will sue you for $10 million.
OK, I think we should use it like this. I have a lien on this. You owe me.
I have a lien on this and it's worth X I'm not going to tell them. I'm going to sue them.
I don't want to sell, but I can, yeah, but I really want them. I wanted to show up on there, as a liability on their balance sheet, that's really where I think we're going to be effective.
I think we're gonna really force a policy change these companies OK, so we're just going to send, we're just going to send a notice out saying to every company that I visit and these, uh, the Trans Union, all these other guys and say this is how much my biometric information as well, yeah, you, um, it's like a bill. You're gonna say It's a bill. Exactly. It's a claim.
It has to have a dollar amount, right?
Well, we can, we can start coming up with standards and standard ways to assess it, look at it this way?
How does, how does the government assess how much taxes? You know, it's based on a rate and how much money you got for tax period? So, we're going to do something like that?
What's the standard? I don't know. We have to kind of make it up. Let's see. Just see how it plays out.
But let's follow the liens and see what they do?
But, yeah.
I mean, you can foreclose on your right. We just want we want the ability to foreclose on the rights.
So it's going to be interesting, John, do you have something?
I just wondered if you saw the story about the state of Texas was given information to the ATF in regards to the salaries of people that made gun purchases and would we be able to do anything to protect herself with this kind of information?
Yeah, Definitely, you're going to have some power now, Because now we're not talking about what you just described. We're talking about, in order to get done what they did, they had to use your information.
And you have the superior claim on that information. And now we're gonna talk about that. It's like when I was doing all this foreclosures, when I, when I showed the foreclosure down, I did the traditional things. But I also filed a suit against the lawyers and the law firm for ID theft.
And the reason why I did it that way, is because in order to get out from under, that, they had to come up with proof that they had the note, I didn't say.
They didn't have the note, I just said you still disguise ID and you've fabricated these records, you know, so It changes the game. It changes the way this fight plays out, they're not they're not ready for this.
So, how do we know How do we know the Oscar? I mean, you guys never heard of the Oscar: All these old LLC You never heard this probably didn't hear about it until like a week ago. I was trying to do some research for this call. You know.
And so how do we know, well, first of all, we can't really communicate with OLDC.
We don't have standing were not members were not Equifax but OLDC. If you look at the website, we can go back there and see it lists very proudly all the different members and endless TransUnion all that, well, hey, I know that I can get my credit file from TransUnion. And if what they're saying is true on the website, will I know that? They're talking to my bank. So of course it has data about me. That's how we know, right?
But I could just claim it. I could just say, I think you have data about me.
Or, if you do, here's my, here's my claim.
And I think that's going to be not a problem to establish that they do. It's not gonna be a problem. So the only way out of it is to sever all ties with you, maybe, and to destroy the data that you have a claim on.
Now, I think that's going to be more expensive than not doing that. I'm not sure yet.
Because, and I'll share this with you later. I'm gonna do right now.
But there, there are industry standards of establishing the certification, of the destruction of information. Remember, corporations can only keep documents. I mean, sure, then keep specimens and things.
But typically, they're going to keep documents and collections of data, descriptions, of data tables and things like that.
If they're going to eliminate or delete some data, they have to follow their own protocol, their data retention policy, or their privacy statement, the privacy policy.
And there is a certification process that's expensive. If they want to get rid of your data.
So there's a, there's this hit of money that they have to spend to sever their liability, if you will.
It's going to be really interesting, how this plays out, is, this has gotta be really interesting, Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be fun.
It's going to give us a lot of power. I mean, heck, what if they just ignore us?
Until we finally have to go, OK, guys, they're ignoring us after three months or six months?
Who's gonna assume now, all right. You know, I'll be the first one over there. But, yeah, we can do that, too. I don't think we have to sell.
I mean, really, I don't think we have to do that.
So whoever wants to do it, let me know We, I mean, I don't know that I want to publish the actual security agreement, but I would just, I'm giving you enough information that you can, you can create your own. If you want me to help you, I'll be glad to do that. What I will do is I'll start with my version of the security agreement, and then based on what you want to do, like you tell me who you want to put a lien against. And let's just do it.
Then I will, I will modify some of my collateral description and your agreement based on what you tell me, then we'll just file it.
And then I'll help you with knowing how to file it.
Because we have to go to the County Recorder's office where he reside, and also we have to file it with the Secretary of State's office.
So, we're going to do those two things and then we're going to find out, you know, the chief counsel's name for the debtor, right? So I'll help you out with all that. And then, in the process of doing that, I'll probably end up with a database of all this, contact information. And then I'll make that available, so that way, it'll be easier as we move forward.
John, do you have an idea?
Yeah, I definitely want to do with the, you can e-mail me anything. And I'll be a guinea pig with you.
Have four adult children ages 18 to 20, 24 right now, and I'd really like to get them on, on this train before they start getting everything going.
So, we can do it as a group. We could do it as a single whatever. Good plan. I'll do it for my children too.
I think you've probably heard this story but um, but gosh, it was In 2009 or so we're at this private school and there was a there was a conflict as some kind of was it was a teacher just wasn't trained very well.
And so she thought I was abusing my son because the pediatrician told us to gave us a treatment for a skin condition my son had.
And we're just doing what our pediatrician told us to. And so this teacher thought, it was the result of abuse. And she didn't notice that, well, but instead of just calling me, of course, their policy is, you have to notify the director of the director, calls the police, and then they made it even worse.
And so, anyways, they were threatening me with all kinds of all kinds of things, and I was just learning about this Lean stuff back then, and I went ahead and I told him, Look, I'm not gonna bring my, there were other, my other children here. So you can evaluate them as your **** business, and you're not gonna get away with this. And so, and I was nervous as **** that, they're gonna come and take my children, and I had four children at that time.
And so I I went and created a lien much like we're talking about.
But what I did is I use the birth certificate as collateral.
And I had someone help me and we got that thing filed. And I got back a certified copy of it. And I went into the meeting with them when I had everything back, which was like a week later.
And I put those liens for all my children on the table.
And I just said which you thanks you have a superior claim over my children than not deny.
And they looked at the documents. And the one guy that the boss, the Director, he left I guess he went to talk to the attorney and he came back and he was a different man.
He was like really apologetic, and said that he didn't need to see any of our children anymore, and we started bother us. And so I told him, I said, if you guys can, you know, drop this, I'll, I'll let bygones be bygones, And I won't do anything.
And so they did exactly what I asked, and the school did not, it was still a problem with the school, And so, I put it.
I finished up the Lean, I perfected it, It was a $28 million lien against the school, and it's the opposite people in the school. And I wasn't trying to destroy the school. But as it turned out, it took about a year and a half, and then the school actually had to leave the state of Florida.
It had two locations, because that lien disrupted its ability to do anything financially.
It couldn't even get insurance.
So, this is these are very powerful, but remember, leads are statutory only just abstract.
So, you can't just stop Liens on people You gotta have some backing behind it, you know, do you have experience like that?
I just, John, that was brilliant.
I think I told you that, you know, you've got this transgender nonsense going on, Pause, right, and I just wrote a 16 page criminal complaint.
Send it to the Sheriff, the FBI and Congressional Oversight Committee, add, because of the property rights That, yeah, there violate.
And you know, I mean there was, you know, you lookup statues practicing medicine without a license and all this other stuff, but what you just did is brilliant.
I mean, I don't know, I just put a claim on. Yeah, it just stopped everything.
If you have copies of that, I would love to share that, because there's going to be a big meeting coming up. Yeah, I've already shared, shared the criminal complaints with the parents, and so on and so forth.
But I think which what you're talking about will turn this nonsense around. Yeah. I think we're going to have a lot of power. It's good. Yeah. We're gonna be the ones to make the rules from now on. If I could just describe this transgender thing, just to give you guys some language, you can think about how you want, but I have no problem with those people.
I'm not required to participate in what I would call a mental illness, and so there's really no such thing as trans gender. You know, there are only two genders.
You can you can say that all you want, but a person who insists on behaving that way is probably suffering from a mental illness. And it would be under probably the category of a range of ... disorders.
If you want to look that up, you'll see that So there, it's not transgender.
It's just that someone who's still suffering from one or more per affiliate disorders really needs mental, a mental evaluation, or some sort psychiatric care.
And what's happening is that the political world is trying to get us to participate in there mental illness. And we're not required to do that. I mean, it's like they opened up the psych ward.
And now we have to participate. And we don't I mean, we have a psych ward.
For people, we can isolate them from society not to be cruel, We're trying to treat them. Hopefully, you know, So, it's not that I don't, I don't like them. It's kind of annoying. But I see that these are people that need care.
John, it's worth, It's worse than that. First of all, they haven't done an individualized assessment, so you don't know if it's true for you. And you don't know if it's just this associative disorder, or schizophrenia, or delusional. And now they're also miss treating them. Because the worst thing you can do with somebody with a mental disorder, and this is a mental disorder is to appease them. It makes it worse.
Now on top of that this is this is diagnosed as a social and psychological contagion. It's very similar to bulimia and anorexia I never heard of that before OK. Yes psychological contagion.
So whenever you have general ed parent that their children are going into the to the classes and they're associating with these other individuals that may or may not have transgender or your disorder or whatever it is.
It actually spreads, that's great but people want to behave that way to be accepted maybe.
Well, yeah.
And that's what that's another issue, is that now I remember I was that I was a teacher, and I can tell you, from experience this one kid, Brian, came into class, and, you know, Brian was Brian.
And he was just, like, any other kid now suddenly changed Briana and everybody was giving them all this attention. And that was another reason why these kids are doing it. Because they're crying, I'd have to try that.
Covered that before the other, The other thing is that parents don't understand that according to idea law, which is a branch off of ADA law.
This is a sense, this is a mental disability, and it is a disorder.
You have to inform the parents, There's no way going around it.
It is a violation of idea law, and pair, and I have been talking to parents forever about the law that they had been violating. It's also child abuse, and child is, of course, the FDA has an even, has not even supported the hormone treatments. It's not even have another problem, which is the parens patriae, which is that the Court, the state is considered.
You have abandoned your children when you take them to school. So, there's that aspect of it. You're culpable.
So, we really have to wake up, you know, it's a hard it's a hard solution.
But, you know, going back to this, you know, controlling our data, look at all the different ways we can address this, right.
You see how powerful this is, So.
Um, yes, so so I would just, you know, put together, you know, the collateral description. You can use my example and maybe I'll do some motor to a tutorial in the coming weeks.
Explaining I just don't. Martin, I'm just concerned about giving you guys a document, and then you run with it, and then not to say that you're gonna mess it up. But it just finds its way into groups of people in the groups of people don't think it's good enough and they start adding a bunch of garbage to it and then it doesn't work anymore.
And then, what are we doing, right?
I didn't want to help the taks protest movement out.
I just want to accomplish a certain thing. We have privacy where we have privacy rights. We have property rights.
And I want to give you guys the means of clung them back.
That's it, we don't know.
And this this currency, all right? That's going, well, It's already working its way into using our biometric data. Mean, how many of you use your, your eye, or palmer, your thumb print to access your phone or your computer? I wouldn't recommend that.
What's going on with that data?
Know, and I'm watching shows like this, this one TV show, I don't know if it's still in production, It's called Castle. It's a murder type police type stories. A bit of a comedy, but there and many of these other shows, Shark, is another one, I think. And when they're showing the police doing investigation, they always go right to the keyboard.
It's not, you know, going out into the world, and investigating a thing, they go right to the keyboard, and they start downloading this. What they show the TV series is, they're downloading video feeds from all over town.
Right, and they're showing. And so, it's normal now. It's acceptable. Your, you can be observed as you're walking on the sidewalk. and once you're out of range in one camera, urine range, and another camera.
Oh, and let's just grab your facial image and map it against something that we didn't talk about in the TV series, because when I could talk about that part of it, we're not going to explain how we can verify your identity just by getting your face, your image in public.
They're not telling people yet that people don't think about this. If I get your image in public, what good is that? Unless I can verify it against something, what would that be? Oh!
your driver's license.
Who's, who's bridging all this? You know, data together.
That's, I think, right now as we have it, we have a chance, we still have a chance, I think, to have some control over this.
What do you think, Right?
I think it's cool, I guess now what You're saying, it really made me Realize NCIC!
Right, Oh yeah, NCIC database because that's a bridge.
Because he ...
for getting all the information is provided by the FBI Federal, State local form, no criminal, man.
And, anytime you're pulled over, can you imagine we have a security agreement recorded for intellectual property because every time the police pull you over there, they're running on the NCIC database, You're using that data. So you can build that municipality, Yeah. It owes you, and you can put that term in your agreement.
Any accessing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But the cameras due to, their, I'll go into the NCIC database. And your, your cameras that, you know, I hate sitting at the stoplight in the ... cameras, like looking right at me, I just hate that.
I mean, well, I don't know what they're gonna do with it, but but what do you do? I mean, it is, they have to have an identification process, which is what you're talking about.
Because it's going to show up under bonding interns.
Sure, exactly, Yes. I'm saying, I mean, that might be the first thing. I mean, maybe this will.
Maybe this alone might just get rid of the surveillance on the streets, and that doesn't inhibit the police from doing their jobs.
This do your **** job, you don't get to sit behind your desk with a keyboard, we're paying you together and do your job.
You don't get to do surveillance on everybody, because there might be some criminals in our neighborhood. unless they're, you know, justification.
Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, yeah, Yeah, Yeah, just just this will throw a wrench into gears on the surveillance state that started already in 1 2 in Kansas.
Yeah, We're gonna. It's gonna be fun.
We're gonna have some control here, so what would you want to say, Australia?
Uh, like to think so, like for the cameras and then Mexico, they say, oh, they're not turned on. I'm like, yeah, because you guys never al-haj like at least $70,000 is probably $150,000 is a great opportunity. You're gonna get away with that with public funds, right?
Right, right. Drivers, ID, thing, I know.
I don't think you use yours anymore, but besides using the Lean as, as a resource, so kinda trying to keep your your data and whatnot but do you think it'd be better to also move away from use, like renewing your driver's license?
No, I think you should keep that in good standing, and keep using it for years. I was opposed to that.
But after a while, I realized, you know, That's probably one of the best things government does, is the is the motor vehicle now, I don't know the maps, the streets, the maintenance of it, the traffic rules, I mean, of all the wasteful things. Government does those traffic rules are perfect.
They're so logical, Know, it's like a computer program. I hate to say it, but it's always one of the best things.
So, at the same time, I still disagree with the manner in which the easement rights are being abused. And we could talk about that, too.
But also, the fact that you're being charged to tax for the private use of a public, right of way.
And that, I don't believe, is legally enforceable. However, the police are just going to keep harassing you until you, until you participate.
But I think, in the, it's for the greater good.
I think, really, that, overall, the system is, is what we need. We need a way to regulate, the use of the highways are gonna look at the idiots around today. I mean, they're, they're not even watching the road whenever C by UCF as a university. And whenever I see a wreck, it's not two cars.
It's for, it's 4 or 5 because some idiots texting and he slams into the next guy, the next guy, and there's Daryl Texting.
Yeah, so so now I wouldn't want to shut down that system, but I wouldn't I wouldn't want to put a lien on it. And I would want to have a bit of control over it. I wouldn't want to shut it down.
Motor vehicles. But like, just your ID, like, change the picture kind of thing. You know? And That would be interesting. My friend did that, it was my partner, when I, when I first started learning this up in the nineties, and he had to remove.
This is photo, and he's to use the right to privacy, that when traffic cases, I don't know how he did it. But, I didn't learn that aspect of it.
I was doing it, I was doing other things, but that was his area, and so he would use the right to privacy.
But he did get a driver's license in Arizona, without a photo in there, which I think you could still do today. You can? OK? I don't think so.
I think that's one of the things, I mean, in the early days in the nineties, I took on that case of driving without a license and registration, and I won that case, and then I realized, after I want it, that was interesting, but totally useless.
It's totally useless. I mean, that sends the message to all the people that would be irresponsible, but now they can be irresponsible and not be accountable.
And so I immediately, within the week, I went and re-instated my license. Because that's how I won the case. Of, ironically, I have my license canceled. But then I re-instated and I've had it ever since.
No, but we have to be more responsible people. That's it. That's a different subject for easement rights. I'd love that subject to, but let's get this Lean stuff in place. I'm going to start doing it, I'm gonna share with you what I'm doing.
John. What did you want to say?
I just want to haul the Amish part-time form and get them to their job site stuff. And they actually have an Ohio driver's license, or HIO ID with no photo on it.
I did it for just simplifications. Sure. They have obtained state IDs with just their name on it. So, we know the software can handle it. Yep.
Yeah, I don't know how my partner did that. I think it was on the right to privacy. I didn't even ask them. Interesting.
All right. That's good to note that.
So, we have, see, I don't wanna miss anybody straight, as you were saying.
No. That's OK.
I was just thinking they make it like celebratory, you know, just thinking about it.
Oh, you get to get your picture taken for your driver's license and I'm like, Wow, they want to talk about it as if it looks good and I was nonsense. Yeah. and here's a Here's a lollipop after After you get your vaccines, there's a lollipop. Oh, gosh! Yeah, Right? There's a Lollipop commerce versus personal Auto. What did you want to ask on that one as well?
Calmer, if your image is using commerce, yeah, and it is used in commerce, I mean, what's the point of collecting it, right?
Did you want to make a comment on that?
Yeah. If you, if you wanted to, I mean, I'm happy to address that. It's a little off topic, but, yeah. What did you want to ask?
Well, I just want to let you know, I know I sent that affidavit fax.
Those are those individuals and cancel the mask policy within a week.
Oh, OK. Maybe they were then, maybe they realized you actually could spell words on a piece of paper, and they got scared. But if you already have a cause of action, I mean, it's up to you. If you have a cause of action, you can file it, but I do, I want to go forward. I want to make a problem.
The other thing I wanted to tell you, so my wife ended up going to another doctor, and the doctor said she never needed the surgery.
How can I add malpractice to that?
If you get a second opinion?
And I can tell you, in Florida that, in order to sue a doctor, you need a doctor's opinion that makes you want to see a second doctor, and he told her, She didn't even need the hip surgery.
Yeah. So yeah, you may have a case for that. That's a little bit outside of my area.
OK. I don't know what the criteria are, offhand.
Yeah, But MoCA, I agree with you.
I mean there is there are disguises and strategies you can use makeup and things, a prosthetic devices you can put on your face. The key there is an asymmetry, you create asymmetry on your face and that obstructs in and defeats the surveillance grid for facial recognition, but where they do have us, which is worse than facial, is voice, believe it or not.
But yeah, I'm with you on that one. I like the fake news and all that. Keep in mind that the, the light that's being collected in the, in the image.
It's actually coming from your skeleton. It's going through your skin. It's not x-rays, but it's like more like infrared. So the heat pattern from your body is being collected.
It's not the actual surface of your skin.
So like if you, if you're a guy and you, yeah. And you grow a beard, It doesn't change anything. You still look the same to the camera.
Now, what would really defeat everything instead of the fake news might do it?
We probably won't do it, but it has to be asymmetrical. But what we'll do it is if, like, for example, on your pair of glasses, and you can buy these right now. They're just about to go into production. They've been, they've been in development for about 10 or 12 years right now from this Japanese physicist.
But you put an LED right here, OK, On anything you want to wear, like glasses, like this.
And this will blind, whatever camera, is on your face. They will not know who that is no matter what.
So we've got another subject we can cover too, but again, I kind of want them to collect my data, right?
I mean, if you know that you can put a lien on it, and it has monetary value X Yeah, go right ahead.
That's our licensing agreement. I'm allowing you to collect it, and you're gonna pay me.
So there's a notice of lien them after this one There's a notice of lien on a court record.
OK, so noticeably illicit use the IRS as an example. The Iris files a notice of lien and the county records that's not the lien.
What what they're saying is that there is a lien somewhere. It's in the IRS records, and that they're just giving. notice that the same.
That's legally binding it's enough to prioritize the lien rights of the government.
And it's enough to encumber Property of record that you may sell. That's the point of the notice of lien.
So, let's say, no, no, credit doesn't appear on your credit.
Yeah, well, OK. Your credit report is not going to have a record of Lean. Does not wear the leanest held beliefs held with a custodian of the records at the IRS.
Wherever that is, I don't know, and you're going to be afraid.
It's very difficult to get unless the iris Suzhou, you might be able to get something for through a FOIA request.
But the actual Lean records I'll tell you right now. Here's the truth. The IRS does not have any records. I guess you already knew that. The Department of Justice Will tell you will lie and say, Oh, yeah, the lead record is this. And they'll make up some document, or they'll say it's the substitute for return. Or, they'll say it's your tax return, or they'll just make up something.
But, there is no, there is no assessment, OK, there is no, There is no leen There's no other I'll put it this way.
Whatever records the IRS may have about you, there's a 99.99% chance that it has no foundation. There's no, there's nothing behind it, there's no substance behind it.
So, this is where we get into this noticeably.
Let's take it at face value, right.
So, you can remove the item for your credit file, but, but the notice of lien is still going to be there, and it's still gonna encumber it so that the way to get the notice of lien off your county records is to get the IRS to remove it. And you can actually ask the IRS to remove it, and there are certain criteria under which it will do that.
And in some rare cases, I've done that.
most of the time, not, but I can easily get it off the credit report easily. No problem there.
What's, what's no extra?
The, the glasses that you brought up that night, the LED, did you find them on the internet? No, I'm trying to find, what do they call? it isn't just LED, LED, glasses, surveillance, technology, look for the word Japanese scientist and he's been around for a long time. Yeah, you'll find it.
That's why they didn't give anything specific. It's so easy to find it but you're gonna find that many other methods copying the sky but really the LED right there. And he had, he had a series of but now his glasses are way more sophisticated looking, really slick, They're kind of stylish, and they look just like mind you right now. You can't see the light.
But if if there's a photograph, all you see is, like, it looks like, and, and, do you think that those, those like clothing or sweatshirts, that were made, that kind of people on them would mess with it to, or is it just here the clothing helps?
But really, you want something for the face. OK, you want you want an asymmetrical type of arrangement. Like, you can have something that goes like a wig, but it'll like, say, that covers your eye, right.
Or it puts a dark color here.
But not here, mmm hmm.
There are certain patterns that work better than others, OK. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't wanna play that system, you don't know me.
I'm like, ah, that's why I'm gonna waste my time with these idiots, I would rather just put a lien on there and then just hang onto it. Yeah, my children can inherit the land, by the way.
I mean, they can, So, isn't that interesting? Yeah, yeah.
So I know there's been people talking about cases where, because of the voice recognition and recording like AI that people are trying to, like, supposedly hold their children hostage until they pay a certain amount of money.
And they have their voice recording in the background, and, you know, like the grandmother calls the grandchild and says, oh my gosh, it goes sworn I just heard you and was talking to you, like, where are you? Are you OK? Yeah? Have you seen us?
Wow, no trash.
You know, their grandchild saying something, no crying or Grandma, but like please use Pam or something like that or I'm OK and it sounds just like their grandchildren or their family members. Yes, we can use AI to do that now.
Yeah. And so they were coming up with code words. I guess there's no way around that, but Yeah. It's, it's, it's getting interesting, but yeah, the IRS, I mean, as far as assessments go, it does, no assessment, there is no assessment certificate.
They just expect everyone to file a tax return and if you don't, they'll file a fake one for you and call that the assessment, It's not.
So the only way you're going to beat them those in court, you can have a chance to be in court.
And yeah. You can do a FOIA request which you you might you make it to find out what your actual actual taxable activity is.
Because I know a lot of you don't realize that I don't say this too much, but there is no such thing as an income tax. Even the IRS knows this.
I mean the income itself is not, I think gross income as defined in the tax code, but income is not.
The word income is not defined in the tax code is defined by the district courts.
This is how they play the system so you can have income. That doesn't necessarily mean it's taxable.
If you report it as being taxable, then it is.
They're not gonna argue with you. But there's a chance that it's not in.
If you, if it is it's going to be taxable for something you're doing.
That is a licensed activity under Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, OK for alcohol, tobacco products and firearms.
And I can just tell you, it's been a rare time that I've been able to use that understanding to defeat somebody, a claim against my client. And as it turns out, it was my first, my first client that I was ever signed, and that was back in 19 94.
It's an IRS case, and I had a flight of Missouri to do this case, and nothing worked. I didn't, I couldn't stop. The IRS are taking this guy spier money. They're taking everything. And I did a FOIA request. No, I'm dealing with Iris over here. And so I did a FOIA request over there. And I got the individual master file, and I decoded it using the Irises Manual.
I think they have online right now. It's called the 6209 man, or something like that. But anyways, this farmer he was a flower farmer, and he had a seasonal farm and where he produced flowers for the Macy's Day Parade.
That was his career for like 40 years.
And he was being taxed for manufacturing, pistols, and revolvers, so the remedy on that, and they had already taken this property, right? They told the cars away, they are seizing the house, they're going to sell it, and discuss it was in bad condition, he was in bad shape.
So I, the remedy is and the tax code. The remedy for this situation is to file a report to the FBI.
So I did, I sent him a letter and I said, They're taxing them for this, making guns and he's a flower farmer, and I didn't hear anything back, but a month later, my fax machine lit up And he was telling me all the releases of lean release of levy releases, lean release 11 lucidly, And that's the last I ever heard of.
It was done, I mean, they give all property back, but of course, you know, nothing happened at IRS agents, but that just confirmed my suspicion that the whole thing is a scam.
Now, I'm not saying you could use that method in your case, but still, that's what's going on.
And that's another thing, I mean, what the heck can we do with our what information is the IRS have about us?
But what information does the FBI have about us?
I mean, now probably if you go to protests, they probably get your face right and compare it to your driver's license.
Yeah, the lead I did for my children, that's going to be a little bit different. That was a long process. I'm not gonna, I don't want to publish that. It's already on the public record, I don't even know where I have it in my computer. It's probably archived somewhere. But what I mean, if somebody wants help with that, I can probably work with you on doing that. And recreating it. I don't have a problem with that, and I think I can even do a better job now that I know a little bit more. But I would really look forward to working putting a lien on these up. This biometric data.
I think this is going to this is going to do a lot for us.
Yeah, so.
Right. Yeah, we're all suspects, right? Hey, John. I have a I have a comment. Yeah. Can I OK. Yeah. No.
I was just thinking when you just said about app, no, the, the recognition. and, you know, all they really need is your name.
I mean, if you think about it, know, they could just they could trace your name. They could find out what what you've done on your bank records. I can trace that. And have you flown on an airplane?
The phones already record your voice and start spitting back marketing ads to you. I mean, they're already doing all of that.
And as far as your three letter agencies, I was at the J six.
I came back and about a week and a half later, I got a call.
And but, yeah, wow. Well, that was because, while they were saying they were, they were tracing everybody's.
Anybody that took a flight.
Yeah, to that area, was this aspect that I found out that actually, it was, someone had written a poison pen letter on me.
And contacted the FBI. So he was like, hey, I have completely checked you out, I've looked at here.
Because he left me a message, and he said, you're not going to believe me? I know there's a lot of scam things, but you can trace this. Now You can check this number out. Google it.
You know, I am with this three letter agency, and so I did, and I was like son of a gun.
So I called him back within minutes They said You know I I've looked at your your face, but I know that you're a good person But have you ever heard of poison pen letters? And I said, Yeah, I said, Well, who was like, it's anonymous.
I can't tell you I said, Well, that he knows my name, but I can't know his right? Yeah, right?
and so on Not fair, he said, Right? So he said, You know, basically they said that you were going to take Did you still own that? that nine mm clock?
And I was like, yes, should say, What gluck What does a glock Oh, yeah, all right, Good, good? Good answer right now.
And he said, Well, this this basically, this This 10 letter said that you were going to go back with firearms and March 15th or something like that, and cause all kinds of travel. Back.
Then, he goes, But, we're already past that date by a few days in your home, so I know you're good.
And, hey, listen, I'm really embarrassed that I have to call you about this, but, you know, this kinda ****, you know, stuff happens. Did you meet anybody back there?
Did you talk to anybody? I said, no.
So, there are people that are just literally looking, and it doesn't even have to be an AI, necessarily.
I mean, you could have people that have no bad ideas, right. Cause you like that, make sure you come back, make sure he is the person who says he is right.
Well I did, yeah, and I wouldn't even discuss things.
I mean, you got lucky there and he was just honestly trying to end the case, you know.
So yeah, I know. That's right, he did, He said I said. So now my like blacklist. He goes, no, everything's cool. It's totally wrapped up. Everything's fine.
And you know, afterwards, I was like, you know, I don't really give a ****, You know, they can do whatever they want. I mean, you know, it's like, what are they going to do? I am such a harmless person.
It started like this. This prompts me to tell you this, so you've been hearing these stories about the banks closing people's accounts, and give people a hard time.
This isn't OK.
So pick your favorite politician, and write a letter, anonymous letter, or make up a name.
It doesn't matter to a series of the major banks just guess, and just tell them this person.
And just so you can make up anything that he's involved in.
No money laundering, or bribes or something like that is used these bragging about his ability to use Kryptos in the banking system, because he has an insider buddy or something, right? See things like this, right?
If I like it kick somebody probably that he probably would've worked for Biden because he probably knew my bank account.
But, but do something like that right, and Debbie left and Right, if they want among us and they're behind all this, they're behind harassing us and frustrating, I said, Well, we'll accept, whatever they want, if we did that to them, on a regular basis, make it a new hobby.
Yeah, exactly AOC, type character in, the news hit a barrage of separate banks with a letter like that.
There you go.
Yeah, they'll just start closing accounts.
Just an idea.
So, all right, yeah, so as far as doing this Lean thing, alright, so I have an order form, it should be an ..., either tonight or tomorrow, my thinking is it, because I'm probably gonna bring in people to help me do this. I'm probably gonna charge $500 each, each for each one.
Now my thinking is, if I do that, I would love to do it all day long, right? But I would rather just show you, one. And have you be comfortable using that whole method of discovering your county recorders address? It's: it's procedure for filing, delaying preparing, Elaine, describing the collateral better, you know, then the template. And then finding the general counsel for all these companies and then finding out how to file this with the Secretary of State's office for your state, right, does are not very complicated but their unusual. So, once I help you through that, doing that, you should be able to do the next one yourself and also do it for your family. So, I figured the $500 is almost like free, you know. I mean, it justifies my time and if I if I get many of these, I'll be able to hire people and pay them to help you guys.
So, that way, because it's hard to get me on the phone, as you know, so, but anyways, that's what I'm thinking.
Yeah. I mean, you guys wanna, you know, get a team. I mean, I'm more than happy to show a group of people.
I didn't do that.
I'm just, I just, you know, maybe I'll be slow on actually doing that. But if you have a, you have your own special group of people that you're going to keep it private. I'll show the group.
All right. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate your questions and comments and look forward to working with you all on this, and let me know if there's something in particular you, I'm gonna cover, but I'm going to continue on and talking about this last week.
I was going to mention this last thing, I just think it's, it's, it could be quite useful if you, if you see this situation, you know, for what it is, I really liked the idea of writing a post nuptial agreement.
Alright, in a marriage. This is not OK. The way it's used right now is to, it's the staging process for a separation or divorce. It's a way to get to a divorce decree.
Now, if that is going to happen, it's a great idea to do something like that, if you can, If you can, if you can get an agreement with your spouse on as many things as possible before that thing proceeds, if you're going to do that, I hope you don't have to do that, but my point is that everyone should have this post nuptial agreement because, it's after the marriage, of course, it's an agreement, but it's post nuptial, OK.
It can also be pre nuptial, that's even better, but the post snap show does a couple of things, and I'll just summarize it for the last week.
Basically, you're you're you're creating a trust in the agreement, and you're you're assigning all the chattel property you have in your household, let's just say to keep things simple to the trust.
So now there's nothing to talk about in the marriage, as far as like, there's no reason why a court would come in, there would have to do anything, because there's no property, OK? So that's one example.
The second one is a dispute resolution clause, that's that requires it's compulsory. It requires binding mediation, or, I'm sorry, binding, and let's call it arbitration.
And as much as I don't like those, my purpose in incorporating that into a post actual agreement is to actually preclude the Court from interfering in the agreement.
All right, so just keep that in mind. I'm not trying to show you guys how to divorce yourself. Just say, I think this is a way to retain our parental rights, exercise of parental rights and keep the cords out of our business, OK?
Now, the way this can be defeated, of course, is by one of the spouses wanting to have power over the other one, which happens a lot, and going around that agreement are trying to assist the court in, in breaching that agreement. OK, it would be hard to do that, but I'm just saying if you guys want to talk more about that, I could do it, If you have a specific scenario. We can talk about that a scheduled time with me. All right, so I just want to mention that and passing.
Thanks again, and hope you all enjoy your weekend.
I'll talk to you next week.
Take care.


1. The speaker, John Jay, discusses the collection and use of personal financial and biographical data by third parties.
2. He brings up the concept of intangible private property rights, comparing it to the rights of intellectual property owners, such as the Motion Picture Association of America.
3. The topic of liens and the conditions under which they can be applied to personal information is discussed, with specific attention to potential legal consequences and the importance of understanding the purpose of data collection.
4. John emphasizes the individual’s right to modify the terms of data disclosure and condition it upon specific requirements, thus granting some control over personal information.
5. The speaker notes the potential use of non-disclosure agreements to create liability in case of unauthorized information sharing.
6. The conversation extends to privacy rights and the extent to which personal data is used in commerce, particularly referencing a database system called E-Oscar.
7. John offers advice on filing liens on personal data and the process involved, including filing with both the County Recorder’s office and the Secretary of State’s office.
8. He shares a personal experience with enforcing a lien, recounting a $28 million claim he made against a school for misuse of his data.
9. He further discusses the implications of data collection and the potential risks associated with misuse of data, especially concerning biometric information.
10. The talk concludes with the suggestion of a potential solution in the form of a licensing agreement, allowing data collection in return for payment, thus monetizing personal data.

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